Test E 500 vs 750/week

[Akilldema]

I've been strongly considering upping my next cycle dosage from 500 to 750. The other plan was 500 Test E w/400 Tren E a week, but I'm a little afraid I might become too aggressive. Is the jump from 500 to 750 really noticeable? I've never gotten gyno or any symptoms.. is 750mg a range where gyno becomes more prevalent for some people?

[ready2explode]

What do you mean by "Is the jump from 500 to 750 really noticeable?"

Over 600mgs is when diminishing returns begin to factor in and also the point where gyno is more prevalent for some.

You could always try 500 test, 200 tren e, too...

[Akilldema]

What I'm asking is whether or not there's a considerable boost in gains at 750mg vs 500mg. Is 200mg tren/week still pretty effective?

[Piston]

I tend to run a little bit lower dose than you are talk about, but I can assure you that an extra quarter gram will make a noticeable difference. That said, I would prefer to stack on the base of test if I were you. The 500mg/ wk of test with 400 of EQ will give you a substantial bump without the aggression concerns -- but this is not an androgen like Tren. But if you are not looking for a hard aggressiveness, why Tren? With an androgen, I've found that you either do it or you don't and than a small dose is almost always a disapointment.

[Akilldema]

I did a cycle of test/eq at the exact dosages above and was disappointed, tren is appealing to me because of the lack of estrogen conversion, strength and hardness.

[ready2explode]

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ll/281/6/E1172

I've run an analysis on the above study. Based on those numbers:

500mgs of test over 20 weeks yields 15.7lbs.
750mgs of test over 20 weeks yields 18.2lbs.

As for the tren, remember steroids have an additive effect. You're not just taking 200mgs of tren alone, you're taking it with 500mgs of test. It certainly wouldn't go to waste.

[Akilldema]

50% more for a little less than 20% improvement in gains. I think I'll try 500 test 200 tren. Thanks for the input guys.

[Malchir]

Originally posted by ready2explode
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ll/281/6/E1172

I've run an analysis on the above study. Based on those numbers:

500mgs of test over 20 weeks yields 15.7lbs.
750mgs of test over 20 weeks yields 18.2lbs.

As for the tren, remember steroids have an additive effect. You're not just taking 200mgs of tren alone, you're taking it with 500mgs of test. It certainly wouldn't go to waste.

The full study! I've been searching for this for a long time. Thanks a lot!

A quick glance and I found the thing I wanted to know.

Nutritional intake.

Daily energy intake and proportion of calories derived from protein, carbohydrate, and fat were not significantly different among the five groups at baseline. (data not shown).
There was no significant change in daily caloric, protein, carbohydrate, or fat intake in any group during treatment

Could we say that nutrition isn't that important on-cycle, it's all "roids"?

[Akilldema]

Please tell me that's not a real question. I would say steroids or not, diet is probably responsible for 60-70% of the gains I make, steroids and training making up the rest.

[pillsbury]

i actually believe the answer is yes.
i would say nutrient partitioning/calorie restricting trying to reach extremely low bf levels would be affected greater by diet but even then you can still lean down to extremely low levels with crap and dirty diet if aas/ped's are high enough.
just single digits or gaining lbm then i would argue that diet is not as important as when clean

[Akilldema]

I felt the same way to a degree for a long time, but when I do a proper clean bulk, IE eating lean proteins 7-8 times a day the difference is astronomical as opposed to just junking it up 5-6 times a day although the caloric intake and protein intake is likely higher when just stuffing food.

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

Gear will let you cheat on your diet a little but you are what you eat. If you only eat crap......

[liftsiron]

Originally posted by Akilldema
I've been strongly considering upping my next cycle dosage from 500 to 750. The other plan was 500 Test E w/400 Tren E a week, but I'm a little afraid I might become too aggressive. Is the jump from 500 to 750 really noticeable? I've never gotten gyno or any symptoms.. is 750mg a range where gyno becomes more prevalent for some people?

Yes it will make a noticeable difference. as a gram a week would make an even bigger difference. With higher test dose you get a greater anti catabolic effect and therefore most likely lies the biggest benefit. Adding an AI to a higher dose of test negates most negative sides such as gyno, bloat etc.

[Akilldema]

I've considered something like running arimidex at .5mg eod. What is your opinion on on doing something like 500mg test with 200mg tren?

[liftsiron]

Originally posted by Akilldema
I've considered something like running arimidex at .5mg eod. What is your opinion on on doing something like 500mg test with 200mg tren?

Personally I think it a very good idea. Arimidex is my AI of choice.